[DK GreenRoots] Re: An item for discussion in list ... Dealing with Speculative "break through" diaries ...

I recommended this as well, as I tend to be fairly reflexive about
recommending eco diaries if I see them in time. I actually hit the
rec button before I got all the way through the diary, but decided not
to unrec anyway, as I want to see clean energy and energy efficiency
discussions reach a wider audience.

The takeaway among the less aware will be positive vibes about wind
energy, and hopefully even a little more enthusiasm.

On Dec 28, 9:23 pm, Warren Senders <war...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I am with Sven on this.  I'm perfectly happy to recommend things if it gets people talking.
>
> And, for what it's worth, I am still on the list!
>
> WS
>
> On Dec 28, 2011, at 6:44 PM, citisven wrote:
>
>
>
> > well, I admit to recommending the diary simply because it's so
> > difficult to get any eco diaries on the rec list these days. I
> > figured, if nothing else, it at least gets people talking about these
> > issues, and any concerns about the speculative nature could be
> > addressed in the comments. I didn't have time to participate in the
> > discussion, but figured others would and my rec would contribute to
> > keeping the discussion alive for a bit longer.
>
> > In a perfect blogging world, all the most nutritious and well-
> > researched posts would make it to the recommend list, but as we all
> > know that is not always the case. So acknowledging the reality that
> > posts with catchy exaggerated titles and bold provocative assertions
> > tend to get more attention, it seems that having a hearty discussion
> > in a mediocre or fact-challenged diary can be just as effective than
> > crickets in a masterpiece.
>
> > I guess the recommend button means different things to different
> > people. I'm fairly generous with it, but everyone has their own
> > reasons for reccing a diary.
>
> > On another note, I'm not sure how many folks are still actively
> > subscribing to this group, so discussions like these might get more
> > traction in the diary's comments.
>
> > I hope this answers some of your questions, Adam.
>
> > Sven
>
> > I'm not sure how many folks are still subscribers on this list, Adam,
>
> > On Dec 28, 7:19 am, Adam Siegel <sieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This troubles me ...
>
> >> Too often, it seems to me, diaries about highly speculative (often based on
> >> university press releases about laboratory activity) items re energy
> >> advances end up spending serious time on the recommended list.
>
> >> In my perhaps faulty conception, huge enthusiasm for such 'press release'
> >> discussions where there is (too often) downplaying (if not simply failure
> >> to note) the speculative nature of the announcement (in terms of it ever
> >> having an impact in the real world) help contribute to 'technology will
> >> save us' and 'wait for the breakthrough' mentality which is one of the (too
> >> many) serious challenges we face in fostering a shift toward a smarter
> >> energy system.
>
> >> The wind power diary (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/27/1049178/-Wind-Power-Breakthr...)
> >> that has over 300 recommendations is an example of such a discussion. Look
> >> at the title:  "Wind Power Breakthrough".  Look at the first sentence:
>
> >> Electrical engineers all over the country must be slapping themselves in
> >> the forehead in a "Why didn't I think of that?" moment after the
> >> announcement of an elegant high-tech fix for a persistent wind energy
> >> efficiency problem that has plagued the electric wind turbine industry and
> >> retarded the growth of wind farms.
>
> >> It wasn't until the diary had made the recommended list that this was
> >> added:
>
> >> The story is a little old and the design shows no sign yet of a market
> >> breakthrough
>
> >> The story is from 2008 and, as far as I (and others who looked) can tell at
> >> the moment, the claimed 'next steps' don't seem to have occurred.
>
> >> Is this an interesting concept that might have promise?  Yes.  Is it an
> >> incredibly hard thing to accomplish?  From what I can tell, yes.  Is this
> >> anything like a near-term 'solution' that will have impact on our energy /
> >> environmental / economic challenges and opportunities?  No.
>
> >> Yet, this is the type of energy story that gets boosted up to the attention
> >> of 100s/1000s that do not seem to pay attention, in detail, to energy
> >> issues and discussions.
>
> >> Note that my handle is not on the 'recommended' ...
>
> >> But many in this list group are ...
>
> >> Thus, perspective?  Reaction?  Concepts for how to foster more robust
> >> discussions of energy while helping place speculative (even as often
> >> exciting) announcements in context?  ???
>
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