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[DK GreenRoots] Maslow & Young Climate Activists
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-- Deborah Phelan
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
Agreed! The last breakup that amounted to anything was the phone company back in the .... was it 70's?
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 12:14 PM Meteor.Blades <meteor.blades@gmail.com> wrote:
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
Existing antitrust law makes companies subject to breakup. But being this requires enforcement, and we've done a poor job of that in the past several decades.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 5:59 PM <kirathomsencheek@gmail.com> wrote:DITTO! (Despite the potential gross factor. ;-)Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 13, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Warren Senders <senderswarren@gmail.com> wrote:I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Planet Hanging by a Thread as Climate Talks End in Glasgow
here's the correct link
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Deborah Phelan
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[DK GreenRoots] Planet Hanging by a Thread as Climate Talks End in Glasgow
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
Existing antitrust law makes companies subject to breakup. But being this requires enforcement, and we've done a poor job of that in the past several decades.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 5:59 PM <kirathomsencheek@gmail.com> wrote:
DITTO! (Despite the potential gross factor. ;-)Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 13, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Warren Senders <senderswarren@gmail.com> wrote:I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
RIght? Where are the consequences for non compliance?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 12:20 PM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
A deal has been reached. I updated story above.BS. Frankly, hard to believe!On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 9:58 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 8:26 AM Warren Senders <senderswarren@gmail.com> wrote:I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:--Deborah PhelanExecutive Director, 2050kids"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb--Deborah PhelanExecutive Director, 2050kids"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb
Deborah Phelan
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"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
A deal has been reached. I updated story above.
BS. Frankly, hard to believe!
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 9:58 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 8:26 AM Warren Senders <senderswarren@gmail.com> wrote:I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:--Deborah PhelanExecutive Director, 2050kids"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb
Deborah Phelan
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"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 8:26 AM Warren Senders <senderswarren@gmail.com> wrote:
I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
Deborah Phelan
Executive Director, 2050kids
"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
You should definitely get some more promotion of these ideas outside this email chain! I'd say a diary on DK but that doesn't get often doesn't get us many more eyes.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 8:26 AM Warren Senders <senderswarren@gmail.com> wrote:
I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
Deborah Phelan
Executive Director, 2050kids
"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
I think bribing fossil fuel companies and executives to leave it in the ground is a fine idea. If it takes daily foot massages from charter members of Greenpeace, I'll warm up the sandalwood oil myself.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Bill Bua <wbuawxman@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?BillOn Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:50 AM Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Sill negotiating
Thanks, Deborah. That's quite impressive street theater. And given the circumstances, entirely appropriate. I wish I could say differently.
Question for you all. Do you think greed can be used to get us where to go? Of course, rewarding greed is always unfair just by its nature, but desperate times require desperate measures. So here goes:
- Pay the fossil fuel industries for whatever known assets are still in the ground, less their removal cost, in installments, negotiated as some kind of annuity.
- Ex-fossil fuel industries are required to retool as renewable energy companies. They'd have to buy up the existing companies for a fair market price to maintain equity in the renewable energy capital market.
- Existing anti-trust laws would need to be rigorously enforced to prevent anticompetitive behavior and price fixing.
- If they misbehave (which I'm sure they'll do), they would be subject to breakup into smaller companies to insure efficient markets.
I'm sure there are important rules and caveats I've not thought of, but there it is. Sounds a little bit like surrender, but we'd have a shot at saving the planet, perhaps?
Bill
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[DK GreenRoots] Sill negotiating
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[DK GreenRoots] Nov 11 Music 4 Climate Justice Diary now up
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/11/2063572/-Music-4-Climate-Justice-Your-Streaming-Musical-Menu-for-November-11?_=2021-11-11T07:54:08.000-08:00
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Re: [DK GreenRoots] COP New report on emissions shows climate pledges woefully short
Today's music diary:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/10/2063369/-Music-4-Climate-Justice-Your-Musical-Menu-from-COP-26-for-November-10?_=2021-11-10T08:21:26.000-08:00
On Nov 10, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:Link--Deborah PhelanExecutive Director, 2050kids"Tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." African Proverb--
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[DK GreenRoots] COP New report on emissions shows climate pledges woefully short
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[DK GreenRoots] Today's streaming Climate Justice Music menu
On Nov 9, 2021, at 9:32 AM, Deborah Phelan <deborahphelan@gmail.com> wrote:
[DK GreenRoots] COP26 Highlilghts from yesterday
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[DK GreenRoots] Re: Cop Coverage
I'm going to drop a post on the M4CJ music festival with the menu for the day from Glasgow.
Any preferences as to time? Our streaming begins at 7 PM GMT (2 PM ET) so I'd prefer if it was sometime before then.
[DK GreenRoots] Cop Coverage
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Re: [DK GreenRoots] Lovelock on Biodiversity and Climate
Biodiversity for a Livable Climate (https://bio4climate.org) had been working on this for about a decade, publishing information, and producing conferences on various aspects of how biodiversity affects climate and vice versa (https://bio4climate.org/conferences/). I am now convinced that we can repair much of the damage we've caused through the amplification of existing ecosystems, geotherapy, rather than geoengineering. The best resources I know of are available at http://solarray.blogspot.com/2021/04/geotherapy-not-geoengineering-please.html
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[DK GreenRoots] COP Coverage: Pakalolo Needs some recs
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